so it's been brought to my attention that i owe you guys some points. so here's the current standing:
josh h. - 7 points
angie h. - 1 point
if i'm missing anyone, tell me which post of mine you earned points on and i'll look it up and update.
and now an opportunity for more points...
i was making breakfast this morning and read on the orange juice bottle that i was drinking "100% pure squeezed orange juice....from concentrate." "what the frick does that mean?" i asked myself. 2 points goes to the person that can tell me what that means. if you don't know, i'll give you 1 point for making a humorous attempt at explaining it.
and, incase neither of those opportunities excite you, i'll give you 1 point if you can tell me which dominant functioning chord has scale degree 4 in the bass. you'll earn one more point if you can tell me which chord it most commonly resolves to. c'mon joe, i know you know this one.
well, that's gonna be it for this post.
love,
james
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Well, James, if I understand the question correctly you want to know which dom. 7 has the fourth scale degree in the bass. I'll assume your not talking about secondary dominants, but only diatonic dominant seventh chords. The key of C strikes my fancy today. In a major key the only diatonic dom. 7 would be built on the fifth scale degree, G in the case of C major. To have the fourth scale degree, F, in the bass would result in a V7 chord built on G in third inversion (4/2). This would resolve to a I6 chord, the F in the bass resolving to E, since, as all of us "Smithies" know that sevenths generally resolve down by step. Of course the above would apply for C minor only with the F resolving to Eb instead of E (duh). If we are talking about natural minor scales here we also have another diatonic dominant 7th chord on the 7th degree of said scale (Bb D F Ab). The fourth scale degree, still being F in the key of C, in the bass would put that triad in second inversion (4/3). We would expect this chord to resolve to a III chord (Eb major triad in the key of C minor), however, it could also resolve to a III6 chord provided that the 7th of the chord (Ab) is NOT in the soprano. In this case the seventh would "misresolve" up to Bb to allow for correct voice doubling. If we're talking about melodic minor ascending scales being used we could have a chord built on the fourth scales degree (F) being spelled F A C Eb. Obviously this is a root position 7th chord. It would resolve to a major VII chord (Bb major triad). I think that's all. Of course you're probably just talking about V chords (on the fifth scale degree) in which case most of what I spent all of this time writing is about as useful as nipples on a man. Did I get it?
By the way, I think with the orange juice what they mean is that they started out with 100% fresh squeezed and then took the water out thus making it a concentrate. It still is never as good though.
Here's some of the humor you requested:
Why was yardlebot staring at his orange juice container?
Because it said "Concentrate."
HA! Take that!
It's amazing that Joe can be so smart and so dumb all within the span of 2 comments.
I think the "fresh-squeezed" is an advertising ploy to get suckers like you to buy highly processed, orange-ish drink substances. I won't judge, however, since I get my orange juice from a can, and have to mix it with 3 cans water.
Love,
Pat
"Dominant Functioning Chord" being the key phrase, I can see Joe's rather long-winded explanation. (Dr Smith would NOT be proud!) But it says "functioning," not just "dominant" - similar to how a vi chord can function as a I chord in the sense of prolonging tonic. My guess would have to be a Neopolitan 6 chord is the answer to James' question. Since we're in the key of C Major (Key of the Earth), a Neopolitan chord would be Db-F-Ab. In it's common 1st inversion, it would be F-Ab-Db. The Phrygian 6, as it's sometimes called, typically resolves to a dominant triad or 7th chord - it is a chromatic version of a ii chord, familiar from our ii-V-I progression. Thus, my answer is Neopolitan 6.
See, the beauty of it is, even if I'm way out in left-field (which I probably am), I could tell that to my theory students and get away with it. Beautiful!!
Long winded! You're on my list Strizek (even if you're right). Did you actually read the whole thing? That's almost as sad as me taking the time to write it. Isn't a N6 predominant functioning chord?
Ooh. He's got you there.
Joe...
When did you get good at theory?
I got as far as V(4/2) myself. I'll read the rest of your answer when I'm not drinking.
Yes, Joe, I would probably qualify a N6 as predominant. Sorry I missed your call tonight. And I did read your entire post, as pathetic as it is (for both of us!). Keep in mind that natural minor scales aren't used as much as the harmonic minor scale in common practice theory, because of the lack of a leading tone, so your Bb-D-F-Ab chord is probably more rare than a V 4/3, which is the most logical choice.
But I'm still hoping for the N6 because I think it's underappreciated - almost as much as a French 6, which is one of my favorite chords - two tritones, awesome!!
Sorry to take up all this space, James. Joe and I should geek out elsewhere ...
you guys are friggen hilarious. joe hit right with the V42 resolving to I6. i just wrote dominant functioning to hint at what i was after.
i think i also gotta give joe all the points on the orange juice question too. atta boy joe.
i'm also pondering giving pat negative points for calling me a sucker...
You have to invoke Occam's Razor here Joe. The simplest explanation (a five-four-two resolves to a one-six) is usually the best, all things being equal. So, stop talking after the part where you said the stuff. Because that's what Dr. Smith would have told you to do.
I have to agree on the orange juice.
I'm all about negative points James. And you still owe me a beer or two points. If you make me check the history of your blog where I won said beer, It'll have to be five.
And I'm the nerd? Really people, look at yourselves! :)
I thought V(4-2) to I(6) was too easy. I was thinking it would be a secondary dominant, like V(6-5)/V to V.
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